BOOTSTRAPPING $5000/month ★ 17 upvotes 2024

How many attempts (businesses) did you make until you reach $5000/month profit?

The Founder's Submission

Direct narrative and submission text authored by @baotrungtn on Hacker News:

Hi folks,

I am reading the book The Great Rat Race Escape by MJ DEMARCO and there is a thing called The Baseball Principle (One Swing Doesn't Make A Season). It is basically about you have to try many times before you find the success. There is a survey that said the average number of business failures before profit is around X (hided to prevent bias). So I would like to ask you how many business failures before you have a profit of let's say 5000$/month (enough to escape ramen). I will read your replies and make an excel sheet with formula to calculate average attempts before we see success, I think this data will greatly benefit all of us entrepreneurs here. You can do your freestyle but if possible you can do it by following the format (profit is per month):

06/2022:

* business 1, profit = 0

=> total profit = 0

09/2023:

* business 1: 0$ * business 2: 0$

=> total profit = 0

12/2023:

* business 1: 0$ * business 2: 0$ * business 3: 100$

=> total profit = 100$

03/2024:

* business 1: 0$ * business 2: 0$ * business 3: 100$ * business 4: 300$

=> total profit = 400$

09/2024:

* business 1: 0$ * business 2: 0$ * business 3: 500$ * business 4: 3000$

=> total profit = 3500$

Retrospective Overview & Key Insights

Distilled analysis of the business dynamics, operational challenges, and strategic takeaways:

Published in 2024, this chronicle by @baotrungtn details the mechanics of building a profitable, self-funded business without venture backing. Key verified financial milestone: $5000/month.

Core Principles for Independent Builders:
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Charging customers from day one acts as the ultimate filter for building software that solves genuine, high-urgency problems.
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Keeping fixed overhead low and leveraging lean infrastructure allows founders to stay alive until market tailwinds kick in.
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Small, repetitive improvements in customer retention and conversion rates yield massive returns over multi-year horizons.
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Community Discussions & Critical Reviews

High-signal perspectives, counter-arguments, and peer founder insights debated on Hacker News (15 total discussions):

JI @JimtheCoder Peer Contributor
AR @Arch485 Peer Contributor

How many tries it will take depends on a lot of factors, mostly luck. Pay attention to what works and what doesn't, and keep improving.

Somebody else saying "it took me N tries before making $5000/month" won't mean much for you, because their circumstances are different from yours.

and for the record, I'm on attempt 3 and overall something like $10k in the red. (in terms of money invested, I'm not in any debt personally)

GE @geekodour Peer Contributor

i haven't made much yet but ig, just don't give up and keep trying and on the side keep an eye to see what works etc. why complicate things, i don't think there's a formula. it's only fair for you to understand the rules of the game after you played it enough times etc.

WK @wkat4242 Peer Contributor

I'm glad I'm not an entrepreneur when I read stuff like this. I have no interest in a rat race. I'm not very ambitious or competitive. I just want a normal wage and financial stability, not the sky :)

LU @lupire Peer Contributor

Why are you building an unscientific average from a tiny baised sample, when you already found a survey result?

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